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Sunday, 30 March 2014

Anyone who wants to repeal the Equality Act 2010 should send two emails

What I offer to nationalists is a genuine alternative to UKIP, Nick Griffin and Kevin Scott.

I want one of two things from nationalists: (1) my expulsion from the BNP annulled or (2) admission into the BDP.

My policies will appeal to those who:


  1. see the necessity for nationalism to be officially and exclusively civic nationalist.
  2. want to protest against gay marriage.
  3. have had enough of parasitical, irresponsible and promiscuous single mothers eating the nation out of house and home
  4. want a flat rate income tax of 20%
  5. want selective education and grammar schools for their children.  
  6. want to abolish no fault divorce
  7. want to repeal the Equality Act 2010.
  8. think invading Iraq and Afghanistan and imposing regime-change in Libya was wrong in principle and practice.  


What to do if you want to help me promote these policies more effectively is cut and paste the folowing and then send it to BDP and Nick Griffin:


I am a social conservative and am disgusted by Nigel Farage's moral cowardice in refusing to say he would repeal the Equality Act 2010 even though he claims to lead a libertarian party. His treatment of UKIP councillor and MEP candidate Donna Edmunds, who in effect said she would repeal the Equality Act on libertarian grounds, was disgraceful.  http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/05/ukip-councillor-donna-edmunds-women-gay-people

Farage has also said he would not abolish gay marriage if he came to power.  As anyone can see, he is just a walking talking policy and moral vacuum.  

Since the BNP/BDP still exists as a party, you might as well do something useful and do whatever UKIP is too cowardly to do, which is to propose repealing the Equality Act 2010 in its entirety.  

Basically, your line should be "The BNP/BDP supports everything UKIP supports as well as the repeal of the repeal of the Equality Act.  

If UKIP should later announce to our surprise that it does after all support the repeal of the Equality Act, you add something else.

Claire Khaw suggests that you propose the abolition of no fault divorce.  

If UKIP also propose abolishing no-fault divorce, you propose making the agreement of marriage contracts compulsory if people want to marry.  

If UKIP say they support that, you say you support a flat rate income tax of 20%.  

If UKIP say they support that too, you say you support corporal punishment.  

If UKIP say they support corporal punishment, then you say you support capital punishment.

Are you getting the idea now?

Don't you think Claire Khaw is a genius?

Well, make her a member of your party and Director of Communications then!  

If you annul her expulsion from the BNP/admit her into the BDP I will pledge £ x to the party.

If you then appoint her Director of Communications I will donate £ x to the party.  

When you have done so, get in touch with me and I will be happy to make the promised donation.  

I look forward to hearing that you have done the sensible thing to stop nationalism from continuing to be fatally associated with being the ideology of lower class racists, antisemites, Islamophobes and losers.

A Khaw Supporter 

then send to

http://britishdemocraticparty.org/contact/

and

http://www.nickgriffinmep.eu/

What would happen to Nick Griffin and Claudia Dalgleish under Secular Koranism?

car sex

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2106633/BNP-leader-Nick-Griffin-sex-pest-exposed-glamour-model-car.html#ixzz2xNi1ey21

BNP leader Nick Griffin 'is a sex pest who exposed himself to former glamour model in her car'
Nick Griffin, a married father-of-four has portrayed himself as a family man to clean-up party's reputation

Claudia Dalgleish says he wrote in a text to her it is hot in France 'so you don't need to wear very much'
Recently, Claudia was claiming that in fact she did as he had asked and has evidence to prove it. This has rather confused and angered people.

http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111387917953

Q:  how skeptical are you that nick griffin showed his penis to claudia, does the evidence suggest she made it up

A:  She says it happened. SMS to me on 1842 11 January 2014 "I never said I wouldn't do what he asked. He spunked all over the car on me." Make what you will of this.
http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111389931137

Q:  If Nick Griffin spunked over claudia, would you not expect her to have some evidence? on a scale of 1-10 how believable do you find her story? 10 being you 100% believe her

A:  1823 11 January 2014
"I swear on my mother's ashes I still have the pink shirt with his DNA spunk on it."

2125 11 January 2014
"I have been offered a huge sum for the shirt and video."
http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111390711425

Q:  For the benefit of nationalists who are not familiar with Claudia, can you say how much you believe her story on a scale of 1-10? I know you have a very analytical mind and leave no stone unturned, have you spotted any discrepancies in her story? 

A: Look, there is no point asking me what I believe. I have not examined the evidence, and all I know for sure is that she told me what she told me.

1812 11 January 2014
"No, he was OK about it. [I cannot now remember what we were discussing and did not keep my SMS to her.] I discussed it with him at curry house car park and he explained that after years of marriage these things happen and one turns a blind eye. He advised me to turn a blind eye about Squire and have an affair with him."
http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111390857345
http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111390880897
http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111391251073
http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111391299457
http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111391851137
http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111391873409
http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111394741633
http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111398063233
http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111407026561
http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111410061697
http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111410122369
http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111411244673
http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111411040897
http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111412151681
http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111411943809

http://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answer/111415873921

Q:  can you write a blog about the wanking?people in the bnp are a bit confused over the latest allegation

A: There is nothing to say really apart from the fact that under Koranic law both Nick Griffin and Claudia if found guilty would not be lashed 100 times because they did not in fact commit adultery or fornication that could result in unwanted pregnancy or illegitimate offpsring, merely a lewd act.

004.015
YUSUFALI: If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.
PICKTHAL: As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them or (until) Allah appoint for them a way (through new legislation).
SHAKIR: And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them.

There is no penalty in the Koran for men soliciting a lewd act and receiving it, so Nick Griffin would escape scot free and only have to face the wrath of his wife.

Claudia would be confined to her home, presumably by people angry enough with her to wish to do so and I imagine they will soon grow tired of this unless actually paid to do so. I am certainly not going to devote any government resources to confining women like Claudia in their homes until they die and leave this to others with an axe to grind. I suppose it is possible that the Chairman's wife may wish to stand guard outside Claudia's home to restrict her liberty for a few days at most, and then grow tired of that after deciding that it would be more comfortable for her to go home to make domestic life for her husband uncomfortable.

Even if Mrs Griffin were minded to stand guard outside Claudia's home for weeks and months on end in order to confine her to her home, it would still be open to Claudia to have her groceries delivered so there is in no danger of her being starved to death or receiving visits from her many friends and admirers who would only be too happy to bring her whatever she required.  

Everyone concerned would be horribly embarrassed by all this for a bit and life would carry on after they have all calmed down.

Friday, 28 March 2014

The BNP opposes gay marriage, thank goodness

In this regard they are more courageous than UKIP whose leader said he would not abolish gay marriage even if he does come to power.  http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-says-ukip-would-not-try-to-scrap-gay-marriage-law-9199501.html

Nor will the UKIP propose the repeal of the Equality Act 2010. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/05/ukip-councillor-donna-edmunds-women-gay-people

Nigel Farage and his party are a walking talking policy and moral vacuum.  

The BNP is at least is showing some backbone, but they would do better if Claire Khaw is BNP Director of Communications propagating Claire Khaw Thought.  If you want this to happen please get in touch with Nick Griffin and do as suggested at 
http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/what-you-could-do-to-help-me-if-you.html  She is the last best hope for British Civic Nationalism.  If you want policies more Conservative than Nigel Farage without finding yourself  in the company of racists, antisemites and Islamophobes then Claire Khaw can help the BNP wash away the taint of racism, antisemitism and Islamophobia from British Nationalism and make it a party fit to rival UKIP.




12 midnight tonight: “Gay” Marriage is “legal”
Two days ago we warned you about the terrifying pace of the destruction of our society, our heritage and our culture when the first taxpayer funded state school in British history started to teach English as a foreign language.

Now just two days later we see the frenzy of the media and politicians, including UKIP, who are all “delighted” that another of the fundamental bedrocks of our society is destroyed. 

Legislation has been “rushed through” and the date set for Gay marriage being legalised in our churches in 2015 has been brought forward to midnight tonight in another unsightly rush to pander to the minority while continuing to abandon us, the majority! 

Same-sex weddings in “some” British embassies and armed forces bases overseas and military chapels are expected to be allowed from June.

Take a guess at which countries won’t even be allowing our embassies to do this on their soil! 

The UK is now officially rated as the best place in Europe to be Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual and Transgender.

Are you proud of that?

Shame it’s not the best place in Europe to be white, old, ill, wanting an education or a job!

UKIP back this move, the same as they “welcome immigration” and everyone must wake up to the reality that UKIP are part of this problem.

It is why they are on the news every day, it is why they are ruthlessly promoted at every turn; because they are just like the rest and they will not stop this madness, they are part of it. 

These are no longer warning signs, day after day our way of life is being systematically destroyed and the pace of that destruction is now breathtaking, the time to choose is upon us. 

But there is still hope, there is a solution, a simple, sensible, political, legal and moral solution and that is to support, VOTE, join, donate or help the ONLY remaining political party that holds and will defend YOUR VIEWS – The British National Party. 

You can no longer be a spectator watching this tragedy unfold, you must act NOW.

Scroll down and ACT because if you don’t it will be too late and it is shockingly easy to help save your country, you can help do it NOW, with the click of a mouse: 

What to do:

Donate here:  https://www.bnp.org.uk/donations/cards

Join here: https://www.bnp.org.uk/signups/membership

FREE be an Online Activist here: http://www.bnp.org.uk/online-activist

And of course, on 22nd of May, the anniversary of Lee Rigby’s murder; VOTE BNP!
Or call now on 0844 809 4581 
Yours sincerely,

Nick Griffin MEP
BNP Chairman




How much did the taxpayer pay for the blowjob the slag gave the copper?

The woman had been to a nightclub before her boyfriend allegedly attacked her in the street.

Formby and another officer attended their home in the early hours 19 September, 2009, and he stayed at the scene when the boyfriend was arrested.

The court heard this week how the woman 'asked Formby to kiss her' before 'removing his kit-belt and performing fellatio on him'.

'This was a publicly-funded case and there can be no doubt that each side has incurred costs well in excess of any sum that any judge could possibly award for the events in question. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2590917/Woman-performed-sex-act-police-officer-wins-6-600-damages.html

How many of you men would fall for it even after reading this?

Fuckable woman invites you into her home and then goes down on you.

You would all fall for it again and again and again and again and again ....

You are getting your dick out and wanking yourself silly at the thought even now, I bet.

Men are the weaker sex when it comes to saying no to no-strings sex.  Your brain falls out and your dick takes over.

Just admit you are the weaker sex where that is concerned, and then you can fight the sluts and join me in my campaign to Save Western Civilisation from Sluts.  To be cured you must first admit you are ill and desire a cure.



Awarding the woman more than £6,000 in damages today, a judge said Formby (pictured) 'should have put judgment before desire'
Sadly, this is what most men are at heart: sex predators who cannot say no to free sex.  Sluts really have most men by the goolies.  

In Britain most women are sluts and most men are MCSFs (Morally-Compromised Slut-Fuckers).  

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/endemic-police-failure-to-take-domestic-violence-seriously-is-putting-womens-lives-at-risk-says-report-9217401.html suggests that more men will be the victim of false accusations of domestic violence and that more women will waste more police time with malicious accusations and use up police resources when they could be catching criminals rather than victimising men at the behest of malicious and capricious women and sluts.

This is what I suggest:

  1. Anyone who complains of domestic violence will be asked if /she had done anything to upset the alleged perpetrator of DV.
  2. They will be told to go before a Domestic Violence Tribunal at which sensible people like me will sit.  
  3. If there are no visible signs of injury or bruising there will be no hearing and the matter will not be taken further.  
  4. If there is no sign of bruising the couple will be directed to a Matrimonial Disputes Tribunal at which sensible people like me will sit if one of them wishes to take the matter further. http://thebattlefieldoflove.blogspot.co.uk/2010/06/my-interpretation-of-that-wife-beating.html 
  5. These tribunals will only be available to married couples. Those living in sin will have to sort things out themselves.  

Sorted.  

Thursday, 27 March 2014

How to get the BNP to support Claire Khaw's ideas

Suggested message to Nick Griffin at http://www.nickgriffinmep.eu/content/contact

Dear Mr Griffin

I am a social conservative and am disgusted by Nigel Farage's moral cowardice in refusing to say he would repeal the Equality Act 2010 even though he claims to lead a libertarian party. His treatment of UKIP councillor and MEP candidate Donna Edmunds, who in effect said she would repeal the Equality Act on libertarian grounds, was disgraceful. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/05/ukip-councillor-donna-edmunds-women-gay-people

Farage has also said he would not abolish gay marriage if he came to power.  As anyone can see, he is just a walking talking policy and moral vacuum.  

Since the BNP still exists as a party, you might as well do something useful and do whatever UKIP is too cowardly to do, which is to propose repealing the Equality Act 2010 in its entirety.  

Basically, your line should be "The BNP supports everything UKIP supports as well as the repeal of the repeal of the Equality Act.  

If UKIP should later announce to our surprise that it does after all support the repeal of the Equality Act, you add something else.

Claire Khaw suggests that you propose the abolition of no fault divorce.  

If UKIP also propose abolishing no-fault divorce, you propose making the agreement of marriage contracts compulsory if people want to marry.  

If UKIP say they support that, you say you support a flat rate income tax of 20%.  

If UKIP say they support that too, you say you support corporal punishment.  

If UKIP say they support corporal punishment, then you say you support capital punishment.

Are you getting the idea now?

Don't you think Claire Khaw is a genius?

Well, make her BNP Director of Communications then!  

If you annul her expulsion I will pledge £ x to the party.


If you annul her expulsion and appoint her Director of Communications I will donate £ x to the party.  

When you have done so, get in touch with me and I will be happy to make the promised donation.  

I look forward to hearing from you.

Your sincerely


A Khaw Supporter 


Tuesday, 25 March 2014

Nick Griffin tells Claire Khaw to fuck off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkXcVA2nYqk#t=28

What Nick Griffin's said in Germany:
  1. Civic nationalist parties like UKIP and Front Nationale who are doing well are condemned by him for being "phony nationalists".  
  2. Even if they were elected they would be overwhelmed by left-wing rioting and fall within the year.
  3. Nuremberg is not a German city now but a Turkish city.  
  4. Russia is the only European country left in the West.  The rest of the West are full of immigrants and Muslims.
  5. The EU elite are conspiring to start WW3.  
  6. Russia and Germany must form a nationalist alliance.  

He said nothing about the Equality Act 2010 and nothing about abolishing No Fault Divorce, as I had urged him to.

MY SUGGESTED BNP STRATEGY FOR GE 2015


  1. If UKIP won't repeal the Equality Act 2010 then the BNP should. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/05/ukip-councillor-donna-edmunds-women-gay-people
  2. If UKIP won't abolish no fault divorce then the BNP should.
  3. If UKIP won't be the party of small business then the BNP should be.
  4. If UKIP won't denounce feminism then the BNP should.  
  5. If UKIP won't oppose gay marriage then BNP should. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/UK/UKIP-will-not-oppose-gay-marriage-Nigel-Farage/articleshow/32313979.cms
  6. Declare the BNP to be officially and exclusively civic nationalist.
  7. Annul Claire Khaw's expulsion
  8. Appoint Claire Khaw as BNP Director of Communications
  9. Become bigger than UKIP
  10. Absorb UKIP
  11. Rival LibDems
  12. Become bigger than LibDems
  13. Hold the balance of power after GE 2015

Niche marketing must be the way forward for the BNP.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niche_market


Below are my messages to him:


CK to NG  19/3/14  2126
Your only chance of retaining any credibility with the public is to make the party officially and exclusively civic nationalist.  What are the problems you anticipate and what objections do you have to simply filling up the policy vacuum Farage leaves?  If he won’t repeal the Equality Act you will.  If he won’t abolish gay marriage you will.  Whatever he won't do you take up the slack?  What do you think?


CK to NG  19/3/14  2132
Please tell me your concerns and objections to repeal Equality Act and abolish no fault divorce if you find them objectionable.  I may already have the solution.  


CK to NG  20/3/14  0810
A belated but Damascene conversion to civic nationalism by you would attract media attention.  People would leave the party but you are just getting rid of the dross.

CK to NG  20/3/14  0819
Once the dross has left the good people will join.  Instead of pretending you aren’t racist you can say why repealing the Equality Act and abolishing no fault divorce would be in the national interest.

I am afraid what follows was a rather dismissive response from the Chairman:

NG to CK  20/3/14  0852 
Do stop wasting your time and mine.  Mass immigration has been a deliberate genocide plan against white people from the very beginning.  Civic nationalists are not only cowards but collaborators with the biggest crime in human history.  A crank who poses with assault rifle and a swastika has not the slightest right to lecture the BNP.  http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/which-type-of-mangina-are-you So, to put it politely and for the avoidance of doubt: Fuck off!

I received no further response to my subsequent messages:

CK to NG  20/3/14  0901
That photo was for the purpose of making the point that it is logically impossible for me to be a Nazi and that I am as much a Nazi as I would be a policeman if I had been photographed outside a police station with a policeman’s helmet on my head.  It is also for making the point that the British don’t care much for logic.  I have never said anything antisemitic unlike you or tried to plead the 5th Amendment on Question Time re Holocaust Denial.  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222441/Question-Time-panellist-launches-extraordinary-attack-BNP-leader-Nick-Griffin.html Instead, I have consistently asked: what number is Holocaust Denial?


CK to NG  20/3/14  0904
“Mass immigration has been a deliberate genocide plan against white people from the very beginning.”  By whom?


CK to NG  20/3/14  0906
“Civic nationalists are not only cowards but collaborators with the biggest crime in human history.”  I am a civic nationalist.  How have I been cowardly?


CK to NG  20/3/14  0913 That photo gives me notoriety and links me to nationalism.  You are probably aware that a conventional career path in politics is closed to me and that I must somehow make myself known as I am not a member of any party. 


CK to NG  20/3/14  0927
I would have thought that a nationalist would want to repeal the Equality Act.  I know John Tyndall would have supported my proposal and that the BNP wanted to repeal the Sex Discrimination Act in the 1990s.  You are not helping your people by failing to make nationalism an attractive, moral and noble ideology.  Instead, nationalism is now associated with CHAVs in Islamophobic demos.  Even UKIP have gone further than you in displays of Islamophobia eg screening of Fitna in the House of Lords http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/05/geert-wilders-house-of-lords, Gerard Batten’s proposal to make Muslims promise not to commit terrorism. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/04/ukip-mep-gerard-batten-muslims-sign-charter-rejecting-violence

CK to NG  20/3/14  0933
What have you got against proposing the abolition of no fault divorce which undermines the institution of marriage?  It is the desecration of this institution that has caused racial and national degeneracy, has it not? http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20070204/focus/focus2.html  [85% of Jamaican mothers SSMs.  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Should-Spinster-Single-Mothers-be-lashed-100-times/417696111659379?fref=ts] You do know that most British babies are illegitimate, don’t you? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2285670/Most-children-of-British-mothers-born-out-of-wedlock.html Most children of British mothers born out of wedlock  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14513517 'The whites have become black' says David Starkey


CK to NG  20/3/14  0943
Your trouble is that you lower your morals to match those of your core supporters.  Perhaps my trouble is that I try to raise the morals of those I hope will support me.  I can tell you how to do better and you owe it to yourself and your cause to understand my ideas before you reject them.  If you tell me your practical and philosophical objections to my proposals then I can propose solutions which you would be free to reject or implement.  WHY won’t you propose repealing/abolishing EA/NFD?

CK to NG  20/3/14  1001
I was in The Guardian against last Friday.  http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/13/hugh-muir-diary-pickles-audit-commission I can probably attract more publicity than you can these days.  Who else in nationalism has been described by The Guardian as “philosopher activist”? http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/29/hugh-muir-diary-waterboarding-bbc  I am also legally-trained.  I am probably your last hope before you face electoral meltdown next year.  Now tell me why you won’t propose to do away with Equality Act and no-fault divorce.  If it is because you are afraid of a mass resignation of the Advisory Council I have just the solution, but you have to act fast.  

http://www.nickgriffinmep.eu/content/contact is where you can send him messages saying you are a Eurosceptic who would vote BNP instead of UKIP but only if he does what I have suggested above and at http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/what-bnp-can-do-now-that-ukip-has.html


Has political Islam failed?

Has the Arab Spring turned into an Islamist winter?

Mehdi Hasan challenges Islamic intellectual Tariq Ramadan on the principles and practice of political Islam.

Together they dissect the Arab revolts, focusing on Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood’s rise and demise, and the subsequent military coup.

So, has political Islam failed in Egypt? Did the Muslim Brotherhood miss its chance? And should the West be wary of Islamism?

Joining the discussion are: Anas Altikriti, a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood and president and founder of the Cordoba Foundation; Yasmin Alibhai Brown, a journalist and the founder of British Muslims for Secular Democracy; and Professor Alan Johnson, from the pro-Israeli lobby group, BICOM.

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/headtohead/2014/03/political-islam-failed-20143814278619177.html

Answer: Give it time.  

Tariq Ramadan lists what Islam has to offer the West

All religion is political.

Islam is unashamedly political.

Islam has scripture that most readily turns itself into legal principles.

Islam does not pretend to be Christianity.

Islam rejects the idea of "separating the Koran from state" because Koranic principles are meant to be implemented through the law.

"The people are the grass and the law the wind.  When the wind blows, the grass will bend."
Old Chinese saying
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_(Chinese_philosophy)

God is Law, Law is God.

All laws should be moral.

All laws listed in the Koran would be moral.

If you disagree, then do please which verse in the Koran you consider immoral or irrational.

THE FAILURE OF CHRISTIANITY

  1. Because its scripture is either too vague or too harsh, people mostly ignore it. 
  2. Because Christians mostly ignore the Bible they are known for their hypocrisy. 
  3. Because they are hypocrites they are cowards. 
  4. Because they are cowards and hypocrites they are hated. 
  5. Because they are hated they become fearful. 
  6. Because they are fearful, cowardly and hypocritical they do stupid things that make more people hate them more.
  7. Because they do stupid things they become weak. 
  8. Because they are weak they are paranoid.
  9. Because they are paranoid they cling to things and take other people's stuff and land and behave like the proverbial dog in a manger. 
  10. Because they are all of the above they fall behind even the people they regard as brown, backward, barbaric whom they have really pissed off big time over the centuries who are more socially cohesive than they are. 
  11. Because they know Islam brings about social cohesion more than PC Liberalism and Feminism, they get nervous when they think Islam might be "political". 
  12. A people who follow their religion do better than cowards and hypocrites who claim they believe in God but don't follow His laws and who are mostly sluts and bastards partaking of their excremental slut and bastard culture that is their Culture of Entitlement, Culture of Excuses, pop culture, TV culture, drug culture, pub culture, football culture and all the stuff SSMs https://www.facebook.com/pages/Should-Spinster-Single-Mothers-be-lashed-100-times/417696111659379 and MCSFs http://thebattlefieldoflove.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/all-spossms-are-mcsfs-but-not-all-mcsfs.html like to do: sex and shopping.
  13. Christianity is no longer fit for the purpose of maintaining morality when you see the so-called Christian West that is really Paedo Bastard Britain Slutland peopled by people who are dipso, fatso, bingo, Tesco and ASBO.  http://uk.reuters.com/article/2007/11/12/uk-britain-motto-idUKL1256515520071112
  14. Christianity is no longer fit for purpose when the most powerful church in the West - the Catholic Church - now has as liberal Pope intent only on diluting Biblical morality just to get bums on its rotten pews.
  15. The Anglican Church was always a Creature of the State, and the state is PC Liberal.
  16. The Anglican Church is hopelessly infested by feminists, liberals, Reds, homosexuals, and men with third rate minds afraid of women with second rate minds.  
  17. The Anglican Church cannot reform itself without being disestablished and then re-established after it has had its clergy whose views are subversive to its Abrahamic moral codes removed.  
  18. Most people in the West are not Christians but most people in Muslim countries are Muslims.  (This means most Muslims have the benefit of family values supported by marriage, while the Islamophobes in the West who fear and hate them do not.)  


APOSTASY

The Koran does not say the punishment for apostasy is death. Ramadan won't criticise the Hadith because Muslims who say they are Koranists are treated like heretics, so he is understandably wary of saying he is a Koranist. Instead, he talks vaguely about "reforming the Muslim mind" while I would just have said:

"Muslims should go back to basics and refer only to the Koran. Indeed, they should entrust the Western and non-Muslim judiciary with their advanced legal system to interpret the Koran with fresh eyes after dumping anything in the Hadith that contradicts the Koran." 

THE HADITH

If the Koran says "all animals are equal" the Hadith says "but some animals are more equal than others".

Ramadan won't denounce the practice of stoning adulterers of death and calls for a moratorium.  He really is a coward as the Zionist says. The Koran says 100 lashes for those who indulge in extramarital sex, but nothing about stoning.

The Old Testament is too harsh, so liberals in the West (and that includes Jews and Christians) interpret it so much of it away that there is nothing of it left to maintain morality.

The Koran is too liberal, so conservatives add Old Testament punishments to it, like stoning adulterers to death.

WHAT ISLAM HAS TO OFFER THE WEST NOW THAT CHRISTIANITY IS NO LONGER FIT FOR THE PURPOSE OF MAINTAINING MORALITY

Ramadan says there are three things Muslims have to offer to the West that the West does not already have:

1. Help West reconcile itself with its own values.

2. Give the West spirituality it lacks.

3. Bring ethics into the discussion.

That sounds fair enough to me.

Only Islam can defeat Feminism which is destroying Western civilisation.  


http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/think-and-grow-rich-author-napoleon.html
Think and Grow Rich author Napoleon Hill promoted Islam!

http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/ahm/british.htm
British and Muslim?

Condemning terrorism is a distraction from condemning UK foreign policy


  1. What is the point of condemning terrorism?
  2. Can condemning terrorism bring back to life dead victims of terrorism?
  3. Isn't it better to condemn UK foreign policy which gave rise to acts of terrorism from Muslims?
  4. Is it better to hate Muslim terrorists more than one hates UK foreign policy?
  5. How is it better to hate Muslim terrorists more than one hates UK foreign policy?
  6. How does it help to say you hate Muslims or Muslim terrorists more than you hate UK foreign policy, which gave rise to the terrorism complained of?
  7. Is the purpose of saying you condemn Muslim terrorists more than you condemn UK foreign policy to be one of the gang (and that the gang you want to be a member of is a gang of Islamophobes)?
  8. Does Eddy Butler hate Muslims and Muslim terrorists more than he hates UK foreign policy?
  9. Does Claire Khaw hate UK foreign policy more than she hates Muslim terrorists?
  10. Who is more more effective at condemning UK foreign policy?  Claire Khaw or Eddy Butler?
  11. If the cause of terrorism is UK foreign policy, which should you condemn if you want to solve the problem - UK foreign policy or Muslim terrorists?
  12. Is someone who refuses to condemn the symptom (terrorism) but prefers to condemn the cause (UK foreign policy) a traitor?  
  13. Is patriotism the last refuge of the scoundrel?
  14. If all patriotism amounts to is "my country right or wrong", should we avoid it in order to avoid scoundrels?
  15. If foreign policy is to have an ethical basis, does the Koran provide a better ethical basis than liberal interventionism?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_and_violence
  16. Is the life of the average Iraqi better than before it was invaded?
  17. Is the life of the average Afghan now better than before it was invaded?
  18. Is the life of the average citizen in a NATO member state now better than before the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan?
  19. Does the UK even have a foreign policy of its own?
  20. Is not UK foreign policy US foreign policy?
  21. Is not EU foreign policy US foreign policy?
  22. Why are gentiles in the West dying for Israel in the Middle East?  
  23. Did Bin Laden say that whichever party US citizens voted for they would still have a party with the same Zionist policy towards Israel?
  24. Is there a single member of NATO who does not have a Zionist foreign policy?
  25. Why can you not be a member of NATO without having a Zionist foreign policy?
  26. What are the benefits of Zionism for liberal democracies when most of them have a significant number of Muslims in their populations who would be upset by their Zionist policies and who may go on to commit acts of terrorism?
  27. Does being a representative democracy make you vulnerable to manipulation by foreign interests eg AIPAC, Friends of Israel?  http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby
  28. If China decided to have a representative democracy would it end up having a Zionist foreign policy too?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaifeng_Jews
  29. Should Israel adopt Secular Koranism?  http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/how-to-solve-problem-of-israel.html

  1. Tasty bacon sizzling under a hot grill.
    If some people had their way this would be banned and the entire British pig farming industry closed down!
    • Claire Khaw I like bacon too. The first time I heard a joke about halal bacon, pork and ham was told by a Muslim to me.
    • Eddy Butler How broad minded of you. How many other Koranic rules do you wish to break?
    • Claire Khaw The prohibition against shell fish by the Jews was probably to protect Jews from getting ill from shell fish poisoning. I once at a bad oyster and was very very ill. If you are not in robust health the effects of shell-fish poisoning could kill you. 

      As for pork, there are many parasites in it if it is not cooked properly. In Mohammedan times the temptation to skimp on cooking time must have been great indeed. 

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cysticercosis


      en.wikipedia.org
      Cysticercosis is a tissue infection by the pork tapeworm (Taenia solium).[1] People may have little or no symptoms for years, develop approximately one to two centimeter painless solid bumps in the skin and muscles, or have neurological symptoms if the brain is affected.[1][2] After months or years…
    • Claire Khaw The correct question to ask me would be "Which Koranic rules do you wish to impose?" 

      The answer can be found at https://www.facebook.com/.../Should.../417696111659379...



      Is it the only language irresponsible, promiscuous, immoral and stupid women understand?
      Community: 38 like this.
    • Claire Khaw I am not the only one in nationalism who thinks SSMs should be discouraged, eh, Charlotte Lewis

      http://order-order.com/.../exclusive-browns-gulags-for.../
    • Eddy Butler I think you have just demonstrated that any form of Koranism isn't required in order to support family values and also you demonstrated very well that Islam is stuck in the desert in the Middle Ages and is no sort of program for an advanced western nation. Well done - thanks for that Claire - I will make a nationalist of you yet - I feel a bit like Professor Higgins.
    • Claire Khaw I have identified the tolerance of widespread illegitimacy as the reason for the decline of the West. I will therefore use all the ideological weapons available to me to shift Western governments from their current mindset of refusing to address the problem of widespread illegitimacy. 

      The West hates and fears Muslims. It is my intention to use their hatred and fear of Muslims and their religion against feminism, which is the cause of Western malaise. 

      Feminism causes immigration and paedophilia.
    • Eddy Butler As a strategy that is utterly pitiful - using an immigrant religion to undermine immigration? If that is your aim? You need to get the 'west' to buy into your ideas not repulse people - you need to rethink
    • Charlotte Lewis SSMs should definitely be discouraged.
    • Claire Khaw Nationalism is really social conservatism, Eddy. If you fail to understand that, you do not even understand the ideology you claim to support. 

      You can only protect your society and your people by imposing morality, and the purpose of morality is for bringing about social cohesion. 

      Social cohesion means that a society has the ability to make members of that society co-operate with each other to fight internal and external enemies. 

      What you hate about Islam is precisely what you want for yourselves, but are too afraid to admit this. 

      I am sure many nationalists would really like to go around the East End bashing gays, but you are now too afraid to do this. When the Muslim Patrol does this, you hate them for doing what you would really like to do for yourselves.
    • Claire Khaw Most profound truths are paradoxical, Eddy. 

      It was a Muslim who told me that you can only fight Muslims with the Koran!
    • Claire Khaw You can only have control over your own borders and immigration policy by leaving the EU, and we can only leave the EU by having a referendum.

      The Islamic principle of Shura is well-established.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shura


      en.wikipedia.org
      Shura (Arabic: شورى shūrā) is an Arabic word for "consultation". The Quran and Muhammad encourage Muslims to decide their affairs in consultation with those who will be affected by that decision.
    • Eddy Butler There are socially conservative aspects to nationalism but nationalism isn't social conservatism - social conservatism means that you want to conserve or protect or nurture your society - the things that make that society cohesive - which includes importantly our native religion and our native laws - I am so glad you have come around to see this and understand now that Islam in Britain must be opposed. Progress!
    • Eddy Butler I think aircraft carriers are a more effective weapon.
      Democracy is well established in the west as is the principal of holding referenda - surely you know this?
    • Claire Khaw Can you define nationalism for me, Eddy?
    • Claire Khaw What do you intend to do with aircraft carriers to fight Muslims? Are you a Necon?
    • Claire Khaw Referenda are much rarer than general elections in Britain.
    • Charlotte Lewis I do not eat pork or any other meat, but I'm not a Muslim.
    • Claire Khaw I suppose I should not be too shocked to see that a man who has no principles continuing to confuse "principles" and "principals", but I still find these errors distressing when I am dealing with graduates from good universities and confirms the depth of British degeneracy.
    • Eddy Butler Referenda and any sort of proper election are exceptionally rare in any state governed on islamic principals - I'm glad you are reduced to correcting my spelling mistakes - that is your true vocation - as my proof reader.
    • Claire Khaw The reason why Muslims suffer is because they have perverted and misunderstood the Koran for centuries. 

      I am proposing that the white man snatch the Koran from their brown hands and interpret it better than they ever did.
    • Eddy Butler Yeah and you were the first person to understand it in 14 centuries - that is damming - you want to snatch some parts from their hands but leave them with the prohibition on bacon and alcohol?
      As a social conservative you MUST support traditional structures such as the old fashioned Church of England even if you are personally an atheist.
    • Frank Forte Eddy, you have better things to do than argue with cranks surely?
    • Claire Khaw All the Abrahamic faiths promote the same moral precepts. I am surprised you don't know it. 

      The Church of England is no longer fit for the purpose of maintaining morality. I do not regard it as constructive or profitable to hang on to broken down boilers that are not economical to have repaired. 

      The C of E is now fatally infested by feminists and liberals. If you want to reform it you would have to propose the disestablishment and the re-establishment of the Church, which would be analogous to switching your computer off and then on again to resolve a glitch.
    • Claire Khaw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person) 

      There is nothing cranky about saying marriage is an institution that should be respected, is there?

      Or that religion is the only way of maintaining and promoting social conservatism?

      Or that widespread illegitimacy leads to degeneracy? 

      And that degeneracy leads inexorably to racial and national decline?


      en.wikipedia.org
      "Crank" is a pejorative term used for a person who holds an unshakable belief that most of his or her contemporaries consider to be false.[1] A crank belief is so wildly at variance with those commonly held as to be ludicrous. Cranks characteristically dismiss all evidence or arguments which contrad...
    • Frank Forte What is missing inthese Faiths is SPIRITUALITY. It has been replace with Dogma. In the case of Islam Deadly dangerous Dogma.
    • Claire Khaw Spirituality is the reward you get for following your religion. 

      Since none of you have a religion or do not practise your religion you do not deserve the reward of spirituality.
    • Claire Khaw You are a Buddhist, Frank. You have embraced an alien religion and fallen for the world's most ineffective and abstract religion hook, line and sinker.
    • Claire Khaw Buddhism is just about pretending you have died or spending your entire life wishing for death, that is how useless it is.
    • Frank Forte Claire you are indeed entitled to your opinion, but before you make remarks about my Faith, please have the decency to know what you are on about before opening your stupid mouth. Buddhism (My Buddhism Nichiren Buddhism) is simply about RESPECT for life and changing bad Karma into good. I usually never decry a faith, but there are exceptions and those are the faiths that SLANDER LIFE a nd would do harm to others. Islam is the top of that list and I will always stand against it.
    • Claire Khaw A bigot hates what he does not understand and refuses to try to understand what he does not understand. Quite a few of you fit this description, sadly. Eddy has allowed himself to be influenced by these intellectually backward attitudes, because he has for so many years been surrounded by nationalists who are not known for their ability to entertain new ideas or discuss abstract ideas without falling out with each other. Uneducated people behave like that and it cannot be denied that most nationalists have not been educated to a high level.
    • Claire Khaw Nichiren Shoshu Buddhism have had a few scandals in their corrupt priesthood, Frank.
    • Frank Forte Yes Claire, also in the Sokka Gakkai one of the lay societies. I belong to NONE of those, I simply read the teachings of Nichiren himself and do my Buddhist practice, the most of which is chanting Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. You do NOT need to belong to any organisation to do that any more than a lot of Christians are of no particular denomination.
    • Claire Khaw What you people understand is that what you call religion is just state ideology. Our state ideology is not Christianity as you all mistakenly think but PC Liberalism. 

      Basically your state ideology is what your laws encourage and forbid. 

      You hate Muslims because you fear them, and you fear them because they have a stronger ideology than yours. The solution is simple: find an ideology that will make you have a stronger ideology than theirs.
    • Eddy Butler All you demonstrate is that you are not a nationalist and not a social conservative - you are an attention seeking hobbyist and dilettante.
    • Frank Forte The problem is while one has an Ideology that is good, but when that ideology is one that encourages death and control over non believers then I have to do something about it.
    • Claire Khaw Chanting is not going to change British politics, Frank.
    • Claire Khaw Muslim terrorists act in response to Western foreign policy, Frank. Are you trying to justify the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and the treatment of the Palestinians by the State of Israel?
    • Claire Khaw Or perhaps you are saying that the Muslims should just accept whatever the Israelis dish out, and turn the other cheek, like good Christians? 

      Now, why would you say that? And why should they listen to you?
    • Frank Forte It will change ME, I will become more enlightened to the reality of my environment through chanting (I believe) and therefore any actions I make will in fact enable me to make a change. So you are quite wrong there Claire. It is interesting my belief in Buddhism is NOT a blind faith or wishful thinking. It is the utilisation of Life's Laws. When I no longer see the results of my practice in both my own life and my environment. Then I NO LONGER WANT THIS FAITH. If it doesn't work I dion't want it.
    • Claire Khaw I am sure chanting makes you feel happier and purposeful as an individual, but then you have given up on politics really. 

      Both you and Eddy have. 

      And all you are doing is asking me to give up too. Now, why would you do such a thing and ask me to join your Cult of Apathy, Negativity and Uselessness?
    • Frank Forte Claire. I really feel I am pissing in the wind with this, so I am killing this conversation dead as of now. I do not like you and I will not pretend I do. Eddy is right you need to be the centre of attraction at all times. I hope you can get over this insecurity as you really are quite intelligent.
    • Claire Khaw This post was directed at me so I thought it would be polite to respond. Eddy was worried that bacon would be banned under Secular Koranism and I was just telling him that neither pubs nor bacon would be banned if I ever came to power. 

      Why would you wish me not to get the attention I get for saying the things I do? I wish my ideas to be discussed, so I discuss my ideas. All I have to do to get attention is discuss my ideas. 

      If you want attention you are free to find ways of attracting attention to yourself. I would not resent you for that if you have something interesting and constructive to say.
    • Frank Forte I do not need chanting to make me feel happier and purposeful I do however need to make sure the causes I make are right for me both now and in my future. THIS is why I chant. If you have something of value to say it is important that you get attention when you say it. BUT, Where you are concerned I feel you are so insecure you have to make yourself noticed. And....I have NOT given up on Politics, I just do not have a political home at the present.
    • Eddy Butler Oh dear now she advocates a pro Islamic foreign policy
    • Claire Khaw I was against the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. 

      Are you saying you approved of that, Eddy?
    • Eddy Butler But she is a fake Koranist as she only wants to adopt the laws she likes. That's why she is a fake
    • Claire Khaw A Koranist is just someone who wants to follow the Koran. What verse of the Koran have I gone against?
    • Claire Khaw Rules are meant to be broken. No one is claiming that Muslims never indulge in extramarital sex etc, just that Muslims are punished and it is assumed that it is better to punish those who indulge in it that not to punish them. 

      Is anyone claiming that the West is now a better place because most people now have extramarital sex?
    • Eddy Butler My position is not governed by my attitude towards Islam nor fear of reprisals from people who shouldn't be in this country
    • Eddy Butler I have nothing against live firing exercises
    • Claire Khaw You need to define your ideas more positively than that for ideas to gain traction, but you have no ideas anyway.
    • Eddy Butler Ha! I am far too tolerant as many people point out
    • Claire Khaw I at least raise the standards of debate on your wall.
    • Eddy Butler Errr if you say so
    • Claire Khaw I can't think of anyone else who discusses ideas on your wall, Eddy!
    • Claire Khaw http://www.brainyquote.com/.../e/eleanorroo385439.html

      www.brainyquote.com
      "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt quotes from BrainyQuote.com
    • Eddy Butler You don't discuss ideas - you spam - and you are incapable of listening
    • Mark Asseenontv Scutchings-Stevens This is a long shot from sizzling bacon butties for breakfast !!! Claire, do you propose that we eat roasted dogs heads, instead ? .... 
    • Eddy Butler And sheeps eyes
    • Andrew Howarth Claire Khaw, hand her over to Anjem Choudray with a bacon sandwich in her hand.
    • Claire Khaw The standard of debate here is abysmal.
    • Eddy Butler Under shura, advice or opinion does not bind the ruler to popular will - hence the lack of democracy in states run on an Islamic basis and hence the absence of referenda also. The west hardly needs help from islam on how to hold a referendum.
    • Claire Khaw Consultation does not mean obedience, I would be the first to acknowledge that.
    • Claire Khaw I wonder what would happen if the British government held a referendum on the EU in which the majority of voters indicated that they would prefer to leave and then ignored it.
    • Claire Khaw There is lots of stuff that the BNP want that the Koran could be interpreted to support, but, because you hate Muslims and their religion so much, you won't even acknowledge this. 

      Just remember this: nationalists are lower than the Muslims in the mind of the liberal.
    • Eddy Butler You admit that your cranky policy does not provide a basis for a binding referendum - your platform.is fast unraveling.
      Of course nationalists are lower than moslems to a liberal - derrr.
      Why do you think I am.interested in Bnp policy? You are infatuated with them.
    • Claire Khaw I am saying "It would be a bit stupid to hold a referendum and then ignore the result."
    • Claire Khaw You turned up for a BNP demo not that long ago, Eddy! 

      You can kick the member out of the party but you can't kick the party out of the member. 

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Justice-Lee-Rigby-Soldiers...



      Fusilier Rigby, 25, was 'mutilated, almost decapitated and murdered' by Michael Adebowale, 22, and Michael Adebolajo, 29, in Woolwich, south-east London.
    • Claire Khaw An example of a crank is someone who believes that the earth is flat. 

      I am a political activist telling the British what I think is wrong with them, but they don't want to hear it. 

      Because they find my cure detestable, they are suddenly pretending that they are no longer ill.
    • Eddy Butler I didn't turn up at a BNP Demo, I was near where they held one - a slight difference that you persist in not being able to fathom - which is par for the course.
      There is more than one type of crank.
    • Claire Khaw You were there to all intents and purposes, Eddy.
    • Claire Khaw You swelled the numbers at the demo and must have pleased Nick Griffin by being there to swell the numbers.
    • Claire Khaw To now pretend that your presence was incidental to something else is laughable.
    • Eddy Butler I don't think anyone is pretending the patient is not ill. Your 'cure' is no different to the disease - it will bring death quicker and more surely.
      And under Koranic law popular advice can be ignored so quite specifically the ruler could ignore any referendum result that went against them - that is a given. You fail again
    • Eddy Butler There were six demos by different groups and most people were in none of the demos - your attempt to include me in a BNP Demo is laughable
    • Eddy Butler I suppose the police were part of the BNP Demo and swelled their numbers
    • Claire Khaw How can slut-shaming harm the British who are so addicted to cheap slut sex that they avert their eyes to degeneracy caused by widespread illegitimacy?
    • Claire Khaw When in history has the result of a plebiscite been ignored?
    • Claire Khaw Why did you attend anyway?
    • Eddy Butler Why did you slip in that sex obsessed post about slut shaming? Is something on your mind?
      Recently there have been referendums on the EU, in I believe Ireland and Denmark which were ignored and a new one held to get the 'right' result. The 'west' is ignoring the Crimea referendum. You are crushingly ill informed. And that is under a system where there is a presumption to take notice of popular opinion. Under the Koran there is no such presumption. So your Koranic policy lies on tatters.
      I told you before on here why I went to the Old Bailey - you really must learn to pay attention and remember things. I went to see what happened at the trial of the murderous black moslems and to show support for the family. I guess you are hostile to me going and deliberately try to paint it as if I was part of a BNP Demo as you find it hard to condemn the actions of the Moslem murderers and need to deflect things into a discussion about rowdy street demos.
      8 hours ago · Edited · 1
    • Claire Khaw Isn't lashing SSMs 100 times per illegitimate offspring slut-shaming? 

      Isn't that what most British nationalists cannot bear to hear discussed because most of them are illegitimate?

      Isn't that what made you say "Your 'cure' is no different to the disease - it will bring death quicker and more surely"?
    • Claire Khaw What exactly is your point about referenda?

      That Muslims will ignore them the same way non-Muslim Europeans do?
    • Claire Khaw The way to deal with that would be to throw out of government the political parties that ignore the result of a referendum, but the voter has a very short memory and does not address his mind to foreign policy at general elections. 

      And that is why I say the franchise should be narrowed.
    • Claire Khaw http://www.theguardian.com/.../lee-rigby-family-calm-protest would suggest that Lee Rigby's family didn't want you there to "showing your respect".

      www.theguardian.com
      Relatives say murdered soldier had friends of different cultures and would not want his death used as excuse for violence
    • Claire Khaw I have said that I condemn UK foreign policy, so why would I condemn Muslim terrorists who condemn the very same UK foreign policy that I condemn? 

      My point is that if you really condemn UK foreign policy you would condemn UK foreign policy without fear or favour. 

      You certainly don't condemn Muslim terrorists who condemn the same UK foreign policy that you have already condemned. 

      The trouble is that you people don't understand the concept of principle at all, do you?

      Your position remains boneheaded: "Only I can condemn UK foreign policy, but not Muslims whom I hate."

      It just shows unprincipled you really are and/or ignorant of the nature and purpose of following a principle. 

      Following a principle does not mean "I only support a principle as long as the people I hate do not support it" as you seem to think.
    • Eddy Butler Your cure is to make the Koran the basis of our law. Clearly I was referring to that.
      Your lurid obsession with lashing sluts is just an example of your nuttiness. I can't imagine that anyone would be frightened of this or could not bear to discuss it - it is mere crankery on your part that borders on perversion.
      My point about referenda is that you falsely claimed that the Koran would provide for a referenda on the EU that would result in Britain leaving the EU - it was a downright lie as under the Koran the presumption is that the ruler can ignore any opinion he doesn't like whereas in the west the presumption is that the ruler would take notice. However even in the west this is not always the case. You naively asked if any referenda had been ignored so i gave you examples. You aren't very good at debating are you?
      Your policy on narrowing the franchise is not based on the Koran I take it
    • Claire Khaw Secular Koranism would mean lashing SSMs 100 times per illegitimate offspring. I know none of you can bear to propose anything effective to deal with your problem of widespread illegitimacy. 

      Indeed, many ignorant nationalists say that as long as the babies born are white babies, they don't care if they are illegitimate. Kevin Watmough of the BPP is one such but he is a Methodist who should know better. 

      You are averse to any measure that would restrict the sexual liberation of the people, Eddy, because you are one of the many many British men who only pay lip service to the idea of respecting marriage. 

      I am just here to remind you that the reality of respecting marriage is to forbid extramarital sex and punish those who indulge in it. 

      Because you cannot bear this idea, you call me mad. 

      But how else can these women be discouraged?

      You don't care because you don't really want to discourage them.
    • Claire Khaw Narrowing the franchise is not forbidden by the Koran, Eddy!
    • Eddy Butler You have some form of mental block dont you?
      I didn't go to the Old Bailey as part of a demo or protest by any far right group. Can you grasp that? So the family didn't not want me there.
      So you don't want to condemn those blacks who killed lee Rigby - that is the crux of the matter that you just admitted to - so it was ok so far as you are concerned for them to kill lee Rigby because they opposed British foreign policy.
      In a nutshell you have summed up why all moslems incl.uding yourself should be expelled as they and you are potentially violent and murderous if they oppose our foreign policy - they have a conflict of interest as their loyalty is not 100% to this country - as clearly neither is yours - and you claim to be a nationalist - what a joke. You and everyone who is disloyal should be expelled.
    • Claire Khaw You were a member of the BNP. The BNP had a demo. You were there. I will let the facts speak for themselves.
    • Eddy Butler It is legitimate for a British citizen to oppoSe British foreign policy if they think it is not in britain's interest. It is not legitimate for a so called British citizen to oppose British foreign policy because they have some sort of connection to the foreign state that is the object of that policy. If that is the case they have divided loyalties and they are traitors
    • Eddy Butler You should be expelled from the country as a traitor
    • Claire Khaw One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, Eddy! 

      Nelson Mandela was convicted of the terrorist charges and now white people are forced to worship him. 

      Why should I suddenly think UK foreign policy is right when I said it was wrong before, just because Muslim terrorists committed acts of terrorism in protest at UK foreign policy? 

      The sensible thing to do when something like that happens is to take the position of "I told you so. It was a bad idea to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, and the terrorism provoked as a result of invading Iraq and Afghanistan in a busy London street in broad daylight strengthens all the arguments against the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan." 

      This is what the BNP should have done, but they are so easy to distract from making this point because they hate Muslims so much and are not very bright.
    • Claire Khaw Are you saying that you now approve of invading Iraq and Afghanistan, Eddy?
    • Claire Khaw Whom have I betrayed? Is anyone who opposes the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan a traitor? There are a few MPs who would fall under this category then.
    • Claire Khaw Are all these parties who opposed the invasion of Iraq "traitors"?

      http://en.metapedia.org/.../List_of_UK_MPs_who_voted_for...


      en.metapedia.org
      The list of UK MPs who voted for the Iraq War refers to Members of Parliament in the United KingdomHouse of Commons who voted in favour of Tony Blair's New Labour regime motion for participating in the Iraq War. The vote took place on the 18 March 2003 and it couched its position as authorising "all...
    • Claire Khaw I have no connection with Iraq or Afghanistan, by the way.
    • Claire Khaw MPs WHO OPPOSED THE INVASION OF IRAQ

      Ms Diane Abbott (Hackney North & Stoke Newington) 
      Graham Allen (Nottingham North) (also Eurosceptic and against intervention in Libya)
      John Austin (Erith & Thamesmead) 
      Tony Banks (West Ham) 
      Harry Barnes (Derbyshire North East) 
      John Battle (Leeds West) 
      Andrew Bennett (Denton & Reddish) 
      Joe Benton (Bootle) (also against gay marriage)
      Dr Roger Berry (Kingswood) 
      Harold Best (Leeds North West) 
      Bob Blizzard (Waveney) 
      Keith Bradley (Manchester Withington) 
      Kevin Brennan (Cardiff West) 
      Ms Karen Buck (Regent's Park & Kensington North) 
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    • Eddy Butler You refuse to condemn murder because it was in supposed opposition to a foreign policy matter that you oppose because you have an attachment to islam that outweighs you our attachment to Britain.
      You are a traitor end of story - you should be expelled en.d of story.
      You are too stupid to even read what I said as the reason why you are a traitor.
      You also excuse terrorism.
      You should be expelled - no wonder every nationalist group and we very political party of every stripe has expelled you - you should be expelled from thus country as you are not fit to live in it
    • Claire Khaw You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but I do not condemn the Muslim terrorists for the same reason I did not condemn Anders Breivik. 

      Can you work out what that reason is, Eddy?
    • Eddy Butler You are too thick to.understand why I said you are a traitor and those mps are not - you are a traitor whose presence is a security risk
    • Eddy Butler I am uninterested in your perverse reasoning - you should be expelled
    • Claire Khaw The answer can be found in this essay athttp://livinginamadhouse.wordpress.com/.../why-liberals.../

      livinginamadhouse.wordpress.com
      Robert Henderson The trial of the mass killer Anders Breivik  in Oslo is truly r...See more
    • Claire Khaw You can expel me when you are in power, Eddy, or even send me to the Tower ...
    • Eddy Butler You are the enemy of the nation - part of the fifth column - and no one wants to be associated with you. You have finally come clean and admitted your treason
    • Claire Khaw What is the difference between Eddy and me?

      I am more against the invasion of Iraq than him. 

      So, if you are against the invasion of Iraq, you should vote for me, rather than Eddy, who hates Muslims more than he hates the invasion of Iraq. 

      Obviously, vote for Eddy if you prefer someone who hates Muslims more than he hates UK foreign policy.
    • Claire Khaw Really? Is saying you are more opposed to UK foreign policy than you hate Muslims "treason" these days?
    • Eddy Butler I have decided to 'de-friend' Claire Khaw on a matter of principle out of respect for the Rigby family because she supports the right of the two black Moslem murders to kill Lee Rigby due to their supposed opposition to British foreign policy in the Middle East and because she shares their opposition to that foreign policy for the same reasons as them. She shares their view which is why she will not condemn them. I find this reprehensible.
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    • Mark Asseenontv Scutchings-Stevens I agree. She does set up some pointless arguments . 
    • Eddy Butler I don't like to stiffle debate. I am unconcerned by people opposing foreign policy. It would have been acceptable at the outbreak of WW1 for example to oppose the war - maybe because the person was a pacifist, or they thought it was strategically unwise, or they worried about the cost. It would be treason to oppose the war because you were pro German.
      She refused to condemn lee Rigby's murderers because she agreed with their motivation - which was opposition to our intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan because we should not intervene or invade a Moslem country. This is a treasonable reason for opposing the war and her excuses for the murderers behaviour - saying one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter illustrates that she sympathized with them and had a treacherous reason for opposing the war.
      She made excuses for that horrific murder which I regard as unforgivable and reprehensible.
      The MPs who opposed the war in the main did so for legitimate reasons such as those I gave for opposing WW1.

Whether they are Muslim countries is beside the point.  I would have condemned the invasion even if Iraq and Afghanistan were non-Muslim countries, because I do not believe you should invade other people's countries for no good reason.

There are those who would rather display their hatred of Muslims than concentrate on condemning UK foreign policy.  I just don't happen to be one of them.

People do not become terrorists for fun, and if people are prepared to give up their life, limb and liberty to make a political point, then they must have a grievance.  If they do have a grievance then it is only right that we should consider what we can fairly and reasonably do to resolve their grievance.